Top Notch Isolation Date
"Dan R."
Really excited about this one, because I've finally found my perfect
day2.
Keys to the Lay:
1. Approaching without hesitation -- plowing confidently through
initial
resistance.
2. Dominant frames -- establishing the meta-frame that I am the
prize, and that
she is out to win me.
3. Tight phone game.
4. Recovering from a bad initial day2.
5. Tight day3 -- cooking at my house, with built-in isolation.
6. Isolating and escalating with no hesitation, building rapport
after kiss.
7. Overcoming LMR with Vincent's LMR tech with a gentle C&F
slant -- verbally
pacing her while escalating physically.
Initial Approach:
I'm grabbing some food with my boy, and he's telling
me how he's needs to start
meeting more girls, because he's hooked up with like one girl
all year. He's
like hey dude, we should just go sit down with some random girls
right here and
start talking, half-kiddingly. Little does he know that I've
spent a year doing
this shit ;). So I'm like, alright, let's go, and I
get up.
He follows me – I look for a two-set, but the place is pretty
empty and there's
none that are good. We decide to approach two girls eating alone
individually –
probably better for me anyways, since he was very little experience
with
daytime cold approaches and would probably fuck it up.
I pick out a cute lil' Asian girl, and I approach her with
the available chair
opener. "Hey-is this seat taken?" BL facing the
chair, not her. She's like
"nooo-" kind of confused because there's
like about 1000 empty chairs right
near us. I'm like cool, and I sit down. She's still
looking confused, so to
give my opener context I make it direct. "I saw you eating
here, and I thought
you looked cute so I came to talk to you." She smiles, and
thanks me.
It's the tentative acceptance you get a lot of the time with
direct openers –
where the girl is surprised, and is also testing to see whether
you're for
real, or if that was just a line. I confidently plow through the
first few
minutes with light material, and she opens up beautifully.
My friend meanwhile approaches a girl a few tables away. I can
see him out of
the corner of my eye. He gets blown out in like thirty seconds because
he's
nervous and asks too many AFC questions. Too bad, because he's
a really cool
guy who I think has the potential to become really attractive.
But anyways, back to my girl. She's very dominant –
talks loudly and has a very
strong sense of herself. With these types of girls, it's important
to be even
more dominant – focus on that over rapport, especially at
first. It's very rare
that she can find a guy who can own the frame on her, so when she
does find
that guy she'll be all over him (this is how I got my primary
girlfriend now).
I playfully tease her for a little while, and I do some cold reads.
I ask her
what she did last weekend, she said she went to a few parties and
clubs. I'm
like "really-you don't really look like a party
girl" (neg). I find cold read
negs like this work better than appearance based negs like the "nice
nails-are
they real" neg. With cold read negs, she has more of a chance
to qualify
herself to you. Also, you can soften it more if it turns out to
be
uncalibrated.
Transition into some light screening to make it solid (can you
dance? Are you a
balanced person?). #close with "Hey, we should hang out sometime."
I like this
because it is a direct way of closing, you're not giving her
an activity that
she can possibly object to, you are only giving her the choice of
accepting or
rejecting you. Grab digits, give her mine, and peace out.
Phone game:
I call her up the next day. My first call is usually to establish
contact and
allow her to get a more solid sense of my value. Unless I'm
really feeling it,
I wait to get a day2 to the second call or later.
I call her up, and she's very enthusiastic about the conversation
right away.
It's very high-energy – we're both laughing, I'm
teasing her a lot. The key to
making this conversation good was establishing dominant frames,
usually with
humor. I've just read Swinggcat's ebook, and he has
some very good info on how
to establish dominant frames there, so I've been applying
his stuff with
success.
An example from the convo:
HB: I was at this party the other day, and I had like three drinks.
Then I felt
really weird-I think the guys at the party put something in
my drink- (trying
to set the frame that she's the prize, and that guys will
go to any lengths to
have sex with her).
Spirit Fingers: Really-.that's nuts dude. Yeah, drunk
guys can be pretty bad
sometimes (pacing her reality). But I think girls are way worse.
Like, I'm
always trying to find a girl who appreciates me for my personality-but
girls
always just see me as just a piece of ass. Really, it's terrible.
Why can't
girls appreciate the inner beauty like guys? Why?!?!
HB: (laughs, which cues that she's accepted my frame).
Spirit Fingers: (playfully) Hey! This is a very serious problem
for me! You're
not like that, are you? (amplifying the frame that girls want sex
with me more
than I want it with them with screening).
HB: No actually I'm not like that because-(qualifies
herself).
It was going so well I was about to go for a day2 right then, but
unfortunately
my phone battery dies. I when I get it charged again, I've
got a message from
her "Uh-you called me, and then you just hung up on
me-so call me back or don't
call me back, I don't care either way (verbalizing high value)."
My frame isn't
shaken by this because I know that the only reason why someone would
leave a
message like that is because they do care, and are trying to DHV
by telling the
other person that they don't.
I call her back, and talk again for about 30 min, same deal as
before. I get a
day2 to meet me at the student union, my usual day2.
The day2:
I meet her at the student union, and eat dinner with her. Then,
we go
downstairs to play pool/ping-pong. I get a little bit of light kino
in. It's
going fairly well. Then I get a call from my friend, asking if I
want to go
play volleyball with him and this girl. I think this is a good idea,
so I tell
him that I'll meet him at the house.
We walk all the way to my street, then I realize-shit. One
of my girlfriends
slept over last night, and she has a tendency to just kind of camp
out at my
house for days at a time. So I call my friend, and ask him if she's
there. She
is. Fuck.
About 100 feet in front of my house, I have to turn around and
start walking
back to the gym. This fucks up my isolation plans – she's
going to be less
comfortable heading back to my house after, and not only that, my
gf will
probably still be there. She asks why we're going back, and
I give her some
weird answer. This shakes my frame a little, because things are
starting to go
wrong.
We go to the gym, and play basketball while we're waiting
for them. My friend
never ends up showing up, so we're just chillin in the gym
for an hour and a
half. I call him like six times, and he never picks up the phone.
This was bad
handling of logistics on my part. Basketball kind of stales out
after a while,
and it's hard to escalate kino in a gym with lots of people
around. I'm just
like, fuck it, I'll try again for another date with better
logistics, and I
tell her I have to go. I give her a peck on the cheek, then I go
home and fuck
my gf.
Day3:
She calls me back a few days later, wanting to hang out again.
I'd been talking
to Sebastian on the phone about how nighttime day2s always worked
out better for
me than daytime day2's and he gave me a great suggestion:
Invite the girl over
to your house to cook a meal. This sounds good to me – built-in
isolation, and
plus I like to cook. So I tell her I'm going to cook Korean
food tomorrow, and
she should come and cook some Chinese food for me-she's
down.
We meet at this Asian supermarket near my house. She's thoroughly
Americanized,
but still knows a little about Asian food. I verbalize low value
and tell her
I'm fake Asian, and I don't really know about Asian
culture and shit. She's
going to have to be my tour guide and tell me about all the cool
Asian stuff
(setting a frame where she's doing something for me for free).
We buy some food, and grab some bubble tea on the way out. Then
we head back to
my house, and start cooking the food. She'd changed her mind
and decided to
make linguini with clam sauce for some reason. I make kim-bop which
is similar
to sushi, and is more of an appetizer dish. This sets a good frame,
because
mostly she's cooking for me, and I'm just helping her
out a little with an
appetizer.
I've cooked kim-bop as a day2 with girls before, and honestly
it sucked because
I used the wrong kind of rice, put the wrong stuff in it, didn't
know how to
roll it or cut it, etc. However, I've improved upon my recipe
to the point
where I can make respectable kim-bop. This is key – I demonstrate
that I know
about Asian culture by making legitimate Asian food (DHV), while
verbalizing
that I'm fake Asian and don't know anything about Asian
culture, which is a
verbalization of low value. The combination is extremely powerful
– it
demonstrates high value and also a refusal to qualify myself, unlike
a DHV
story which always has a qualifying element.
We eat, and then I ask her to clean up the table, wipe it down,
etc. while I do
the dishes. After we're done, I take her hand and bring her
upstairs to my room
with no hesitation.
In my room, I pick out a movie and pop it into my TV. I lay down
on my bed,
watching the movie, She's sitting way at the other end, I'm
like, come here,
and she complies, and lies down next to me. I put my arm around
her, and turn
off the lights.
I wait 10-15 minutes for us to get comfortable with each others
bodies, then I
pull her close to me and make out with her, softly at first. I pull
back after
a little while, watch the movie a little more, then make out with
her again. I
tease her a little "You taste good-like clams."
Make out more, and it's getting
heavier, I'm running my hands up and down her body.
Then she turns her head away, and sits up. She starts talking,
and gets into
telling me some deeper things about her life, like stuff that happened
to her
in her childhood, her parents, etc. I'm going to cut her off,
but I don't
because I sense she needs to build more rapport with me to be comfortable.
After a while, I pull her back down and start making out with her
again. She
says she needs to leave by 12 – it's like 11:30. I use
Vincent's LMR tactic
from here on in to overcome last minute resistance. I'm like
"Yeah we
definitely shouldn't be doing this-you need to leave-it's
past your bedtime"
while I'm feeling her up and making out with her. She brings
up the leaving at
12 thing a few more times, and I counter it by verbally telling
her that she
should leave, while continuing to take off her clothes.
I rub her pussy over her pants until she really wants it, then
I take off her
pants and rub her over her panties. Panties come off, and a lightly
run my
finger down her pussy and begin to rub her clit. Then I eat her
out. I always
do this the first time I'm with a girl. The most intense female
orgasms come
from being fucked, but oftentimes they're too nervous the
first time with a guy
to cum from sex. Eating her out will always make a chick cum, and
after that's
you know she wants to get fucked. Also, it's a big turn on
for me to eat out a
smooth, tight, wet pussy, and gets me in the mood to fuck her right.
We can hear like ten of my friends talking in the next room, so
she's biting
the pillow and getting all tensed up trying not to make any noise.
After she
cums, I strap on a condom, and rub my dick up and down her pussy
for a little
while to tease her. Then, I put it in her – and holy shit,
she's ridiculously
tight. I have never felt a bitch this tight before. She's
the smallest girl
I've ever fucked, as well as being Asian which is probably
why. I have to put
in her slow so as not to hurt her, like when you're fucking
a chick up the ass.
I go slow at first until she gets warmed up, and then I slowly increase
the
pace that I'm fucking her at. I can feel myself about to cum
after like five
minutes, so I take my dick out of her and change to a new condom,
this time
with no lubrication inside to decrease the stimulation. With the
dry condom I'm
able to fuck her at a fast pace for a good amount of time until
we're both
dripping sweat from the sex, and then I come inside of her while
looking into
her eyes.
We cuddle and talk for a while after sex, and I show lots of affection.
After
about an hour she says she really does have to go, or else she'll
never wake up
in the morning. I watch her get dressed, then walk her to the door
and give her
a long kiss goodnight.
As well as being a really incredible experience, I can feel that
this is going
to be a breakthrough in my game – I think I've found
a daytime day2 that can
work just as well as house parties. Mad props to Sebastian for the
suggestion.
I'm going to write up a full post on it soon where I write
more about the
logistical details of what I did.
Again, the keys:
1. Approaching without hesitation -- plowing confidently through
initial
resistance.
2. Dominant frames -- establishing the meta-frame that I am the
prize, and that
she is out to win me.
3. Tight phone game.
4. Recovering from a bad initial day2.
5. Tight day3 -- cooking at my house, with built-in isolation.
6. Isolating and escalating with no hesitation, building rapport
after kiss.
7. Overcoming LMR with Vincent's LMR tech with a gentle C&F
slant -- verbally
pacing her while escalating physically.
-Dan
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