Review: "theApproach Standard Bootcamp"
Instructors: Sebastian Drake (Dimitri) and Vincent DiCarlo (Woodhaven)
September 30th-October 2nd
Boston, Massachusetts

I took theApproach two months ago, and it was AMAZING for me. I got experience it would've taken me years to get on my schedule, and I'm making lots of progress. I've been meaning to get this review out for a while now but I've been too busy between work and the new girlfriends I've picked up!

MY STORY:

I'm 28 years old and have never really had problems getting relationships. I know there's some guys here who haven't had any success and I feel for them but it's not really me.

Since I was a teenager I've had a pattern. I'd have a few one night stands then I'd get into a relationship. When I broke up, I'd have a few more hookups and then get into another LTR.

I just never really had the choice I wanted. If it doesn't just work out I never really knew how to make something happen. So about two years ago I get into DYD. I get good reactions from women by being cocky and funny and teasing and busting but I wasn't really getting laid more.

I lurked here for a long time and practiced player guide, routines, patterns, along with cocky and funny and some other things. I was subscribed to the DYD interview series and listened to them religiously.

Why I took a workshop:

I was getting good reactions but I wasn't getting laid as much as I wanted. I've got a busy life with work and can't get out and sarge as much as I'd like to, so I decided to do the best thing I could to get better and take a program.

I wanted more choice, I wanted to be able to approach more women in areas I was confused about how to before, and I wanted to get better conversation skills.

Expectations / Goals:

I chose "theApproach" because I'd been a follower of Woodhaven's and Dimitri's posts and like them. Transition to Natural Game and LR: Oriental Hot Tub House of Sex are still my favorite two posts.

Coming in I expected good PUAs but I was hoping they were good teachers too. Between Woodhaven and Dimitri they had more lay reports than any other company's whole set of instructors, more than TD and Papa, more than Mystery and Style, more than Badboy and Shark. But could it be taught?

I hoped so. I wanted to see real PUAs close up and get hands on advice. I really wanted to get this part of my life handled and have an adventure doing it.

BOOTCAMP DAY 1

I was surprised when I met Sebastian on the first day of the bootcamp. He didn't look like what I expected a PUA to look like. He had long hair and was wearing ripped jeans, a green tshirt, and a pair of dirty timberland boots.

He introduced himself and we started talking. We discussed my background and goals, then Sebastian explained that the way to improve in anything has two parts, attitudes and execution.

It made a lot of sense. Without any training in seduction, behavior comes from beliefs and habits. Development of good attitudes is somewhat random because no one has control over the first few years of their life which is when many of the beliefs form BUT it's possible to change your attitudes just like it is to change your technique.

Attitudes alone won't get the best results because of HABITS. Habits are poor execution left over from when you had poor attitudes. Execution is also technical details like not approaching from behind the woman because she can get freaked out a little bit, and lastly execution covers some isolation / escalation / logistics stuff.

So far Sebastian knew what he was talking about. It was a little similar to what some people would call Inner Game and Outer Game. I liked that the program was going to focus on both parts instead of just one. But I was a little skeptical that having learned this model was going to really help me personally, in some ways it was basic.

That's when Sebastian started teaching about Attitudes and Execution Imbalances.

Wow.

I started to understand a lot of the problems I had with my pickups from a long time ago. Attitudes / Execution imbalances are when you feel empowered but have poor technique, or have solid technique but no attitudes to back it up. What I used to have was some techniques that work okay but after getting into a relationship I'd let them go and my relationship would AFC itself out. That's because the attitudes weren't right for me. Sebastian said "You can't run a ten year set." I got it. Eventually techniques would run out or something would come up I didn't know how to handle. It's happened to me before and it can be depressing when it happens. Everything's going perfectly then BLAM! Something weird happens and the girl is never seen again.

We talked about attitudes for a while after that. Perfect attitudes from birth will mean very good execution but attitudes can be learned as well. The two most important categories of attitudes are beliefs about women / society and beliefs about yourself.

Beliefs about women Sebastian said are things that most men are wrong about. It's possible to actually learn what women really think and how they act. Mainstream society "lies" to men about what women are really thinking and what they really want.

I already knew a lot of this stuff but I did pick a few new things. The part that was really beneficial for me was looking at my own beliefs. I had a discussion and did some exercises with Sebastian that made me realize just how lucky a woman would be to have me. My eyes were totally opened up and it was very cool. I felt really empowered and, two months later, I feel even MORE empowered. It didn't fade away, wasn't a "workshop high". It was a real change that Sebastian started in motion.

Sebastian went over some execution (technical) stuff. He said you can focus on attitudes or execution a lot of times, but doing both together is the most effective way. The example he gave was body language. Seb said that if you believe you're the most valuable person in the room and that you focus on being very relaxed and comfortable (this is like being alpha in the badboy style) then that'll fix your body language. OR you can make technical corrections and fix your body language without changing your beliefs or focus. The best way to do it is a mix of both the technical corrections and the attitudes / focus.

We then got into the basics of conversation. Or should I say the FUNDAMENTALS of conversation because it's so necessary and yet I didn't have a clue. I thought I did, but I knew NOTHING and I'm an active reader of ASF and have gotten some products in the past.

This is where Sebastian and theApproach blew me away. Sebastian started talking about "Situational Relevance" which is the basis of all conversation. While many guys go over direct and indirect to no end, Situational relevance explains it all.

"What you open with has to be relevant to the current situation." This made a lot of sense to me. You can go direct anywhere as long as it's situationally relevant, you can go indirect anywhere as long as it's situationally relevant. Sebastian gave good examples of both. If a woman is walking quickly through the mall, stopping her to ask for a female opinion is not as sitrel as a more direct approach. Walking through a group of cool people in a bar to ignore everyone else and go direct on one HB is also not "SitRel" as it could be. You can get away with these but it's harder. Knowing what style of opener to use in a situation and being comfortable with all types is the easiest way to be able to get laid anywhere.

Sebastian's explanation of situational relevance explained more to me about direct and indirect than anything I've read on ASF. It's a simple concept but we went over what would be "Sitrel" for all of the common situations. It allows for a lot of flexibility. Also I don't want to put words into Sebastian's mouth, he wasn't teaching "direct" and "indirect". His basic opening styles included genuine interest, implicit direct, situational, true indirect, and nonverbal / playful.

Genuine interest: This is a specific kind of "direct" that's very sitrel. It's a certain type of compliment that demonstrates high value on your part and starts a "mutual value escalation" (more on mutual value escalation later). It's more sitrel than just "direct". Sebastian explained that the way to use direct isn't to just make direct pickup lines, it's to make it a really intimate experience. While a direct pickup line could work sometimes, a few little changes can make make direct more relevant and have it open much better.

Implicit direct: Simple understated openers. These aren't really "sexy" per se but they work quite well. They're basic universal openers that say you're there for the woman without expressly saying it. These come down to execution since your eye contact, body language, tonality, and facial expression have to be good to get these to work.

Situational: Sebastian helped me as he calls it "train up my player mind". Since then I've become much better at seeing little things happen in the world around me to open on. These aren't usually scripted, you use them as opportunities come up. But it is possible to make openers that look situational and can them up. The cologne opener that you probably already know is an example of something that looks like a situational opener even though it's canned up.

True indirect: This is pretty well defined already. This is where you ask for an opinion or something else about her. Sebastian said the attitudes behind true indirect aren't that you're hiding, and credited TD with a good quote: "I don't go indirect to give myself an excuse to talk to the chick. I go indirect to give the chick an excuse to talk to me." True indirect needs a sitrel pace, as in pace and lead, as you open to make it work well.

Nonverbal / Playful: This stuff is CRAZY to see live. You can open a chick by looking at her a certain way, gesturing to her, or even stealing an accessory from her and putting it on! I won't write too much on these because as Sebastian said himself, doing these wrong are pretty potentially problematic. Don't try this at home kids.

It was cool because it was very indepth but also easy to understand. I love the options it gives me, and opening has gone from one of the weakest parts of my pickups to one of the strongest parts.

We then talked a little about how Sitrel worked in conversation. The tech for building conversations was really good too. I learned a really great way to stack openers if I had to without seeming weird, or how to have an opener that wasn't working stick. Behind this situational relevance stuff Sebastian did a good job breaking down what everything meant and how it worked. For every technique, he gave what attitudes it showed, what the right mental focus is when you do it, and he had exercises for me to learn it hands on.

We did body language and it was also very comprehensive. Sebastian said I had good body language (I have to in my profession anyway) coming in but he gave me a few pointers that were really good, including about facial expressions. Guys, I don't know how to explain this but let me tell you that facial expressions are HUGE. I wasn't even aware of the way I was communicating myself to some extent, and I appreciate Sebastian helping me fix this. He actually would periodically help me correct my body language / expression throughout the workshop and it was great because I was already starting to fix it before I left.

The basics of their body language is the way you sit, stand, and walk are an external reflection of your attitudes. If you're in a really great mood after getting a pay raise or closing out a big contract or just won a competition, you'll have good body language. If you are feeling blue, sad, down, feeling sorry for yourself you'll naturally have bad body language. So if you change your body language people will perceive you and treat you differently. Sebastian said it's a cycle. You look better so people treat you better. People treat you better so you feel better. Sebastian also said that 50% of the problems guys have with amogs are diffused if they have confident body language and a comprehensive image.

We went over attitudes that go into body language and what your body language should demonstrate about you. The short version is it should show only good things and no bad things about you for the most balanced results, or you could tailor your body language to something specific. i.e. "Super alpha" body language demonstrates a lot of confidence and that you aren't afraid of anything. But it can also show that you're very arrogant and don't care about etiquette. This turns a lot of women on but it's not "universally attractive and some women might be turned off by larger than life guys. So it can be good but know what you're demonstrating with your body language.

I learned how to demonstrate good things about myself and things to avoid. A couple points that were cool for me to see was the effect of holding my chin high so my nose is pointed in the air slightly. I actually feel a lot different and Sebastian gave me a little tip on how to fix it. Get a pair of sunglasses and set them low on the bridge of your nose, then tip your head back until you look right through your sunnies. Then your head's at an upwards angle and you'll notice if you bring it down. I tried it out a couple times and it works well, give it a try.

After that Sebastian started talking about walking patterns with me and jazzed up my walk. I feel more comfortable and natural now with some of the adjustments we made. He gave me the theory behind walking patterns which was very interesting, and then we got up so he could demonstrate.

We hit the streets and it was AMAZING to see this in action. Sebastian LITERALLY split crowds when he walked using what he called the "Gunslinging Walk". It's a mix of very slight hand gestures, eye contact, powerful body language, and walking with a purpose. It's very cool to see and even cooler to do. I've started doing it at the firm I work at and it even works there. Sebastian explained how he learned and developed the gunslinging walk and it was amazing. It's like how everyone moves out of the way for a very beautiful woman or a very powerful man. It's not because of who they are as people. It's because of how they carry themselves. I learned that. I never realized this dynamic existed, that less powerful people move for more powerful people, but it's SO TRUE and it's like my mind has opened to a whole part of the world that I never knew existed before. And now I can do it myself... it's nothing short of amazing.

Sebastian and I gunslinged our way over to the local mall to meet Vincent (Woodhaven). When I saw Vincent I thought he looked a lot more like the traditional playboy. He had on a pair of designer jeans, a Hugo Boss belt, and a white linen shirt with lightly spiked hair. Sebastian introduced Vincent and I and then said he'd see me tomorrow when we started.

Vincent took over where Sebastian left off in image. He did tonality with me and did an excellent job. Vincent used a couple terms from music in his teaching and it made a lot of sense. The basics of tonality are speak slowly, deliberately, make pauses, and stay legato. Legato is a musical term that means "smooth".

While he's explaining this, I thought it was somewhat basic. But when we got into tonality exercises I realized I didn't speak as well as I thought I did. I always got by but after the program I find I speak more clearly, get my message across better and get more respect at work and from women. Later I told Vincent that I feel silly for thinking I had tonality down and it was basic and he said something pretty good. "People confuse basic and fundamental all the time." He went on to explain how in jazz, everyone wants to learn crazy techniques but all the master's do is the fundamentals really well. I did learn a lot of advanced technique too but looking back on that it was a powerful statement. When I got out of the workshop I really worked on my fundamentals and saw my pickups explode with life, then added some advanced technique in and it went well.

After tonality we started talking about image. I had tried a lot of different things with my dress and accessories. I tried dressing "business", "rich", and "peacocking" but none really worked for me. When I talked with Vincent he listened and asked a lot of questions about what I wanted, then went about helping me set that up. Vincent himself is a stylish guy but he went the extra mile and had one of his girlfriends stop by, a very fashionable beautiful Asian American businesswoman. It's amazing that she's okay with him seeing other women and working the job he does. Seeing that was one of the first things that opened my eyes.

She and Vincent (who is also very knowledgeable about fashion) helped me put together a couple really good outfits and I learned some basics about fashion and style. It's like I said in the PU for working professionals, I can't dress like a punk since I'm not a punk. 10 years ago I could've been a little more peacocky but I really like the image and style I started to put together on theApproach. I look very sharp. The thing that really surprises me is this actually helps me get younger women that I like AND I can pick up women older than me in their 30's. It's like embracing who I was and expanding on it got me very good results, not trying to go crazy and dress like a 16 year old skateboarder or try to dress all stuffy in a cardigan.

As Vincent was teaching me and having his girlfriend help teach me too it was great seeing some relationship skills in action. He treats his girlfriend way different than I ever treated any of my girlfriends when I was AFC. It's like she enjoyed doing something that would really bother her if she was with a weaker man than Vincent.

The whole time Vincent is really friendly and personable. That's another thing I like about theApproach guys. Both guys are brilliant and are walking encyclopedias of pickup information but they don't try to parade all their information and don't act all aloof. They don't try to look impressive nonstop and dominate every frame and thread. You can tell they're totally secure and don't need random gimmicks or have a really weird / schrill tone to call attention to themselves. They're not overly aggressive, they're not manipulative. Sebastian and Vincent were both always right there, helping me nonstop, but not cramming their own agenda down my throat. I really felt like they were there for ME, and they felt like hands-on mentors and friends. Not some weird aloof holier than thou guru. They had nothing to prove and that true power was obvious as I learned.

I got my clothes and changed into some new ones that I really liked. Vincent's girlfriend left and he and I went to do some daytime street game. Vincent opened a hot chick, like an 8.6 that walked past us. He opened her while she was walking away from us, got her to stop, then she started walking with him! It was amazing, and after a few minutes, he got her phone number and came back to me. He explained that he'd have walked with her longer and instadated if he wasn't teaching.

I was a little awed by this. I'd NEVER seen anyone do something like that in the daytime and Vincent became my new god of daytime pickup. He explained all the technical things he did which overlapped exactly with what Sebastian taught me earlier. These guys know their stuff.

He had me fix my body language and walking, then quickly developed a few openers I could use. It was cool to get my own stuff in so little time (I can now do this on my own) and Vincent's stock stuff was really good. So I had options.

In the next few hours, I did SO many approaches of all different kinds. Situations I thought I couldn't handle became easy. Women eating by themselves. Walking. Standing still. With friends. Without friends. Shopping. Not shopping. In coffee shops, the food court, stores. There wasn't that I didn't know how to approach that Vincent couldn't give me a way to.

I felt much more confident with every approach. Some didn't open but none went poorly. No blowouts. A few were unresponsive but most were flattered. On the third approach I did I got into a 20 minute conversation and could've stayed longer but I wanted to get the most I could out of Vincent's teaching.

After another very successful approach, Vincent taught me the basics of instadating and number closing. I learned more detailed versions of the tech later in the program but even the basics were good... My second approach after learning this stuff I instadated to Starbucks, then number closed.

After every approach, Vincent gave me detailed feedback. He kept correcting my body language, which was really good. Now two months later my body language is FIXED, I don't even think about it any more but it works very well.

He talked about my conversational threads and technical details. We worked on the pacing part of my openers and the situational relevance (sitrel) of conversation after that. Things began to fall into place smoothly.

I left the first day with three phone numbers and lots of good experiences. Harsh blowouts = Zero. TheApproach has got some POWERFUL stuff.

We took a dinner break and Vincent gave me a couple things to think about over the break and encouraged me to take notes of what I learned. I ate, cleaned up, and took a shower and got ready for nighttime.

I came early to meet up with Vincent for nighttime training and to my pleasant surprise Sebastian was there. He was off the clock and said he likes the effort I'm putting in so he'll come clock some time. I really appreciated that. He said he likes to do this for dedicated students since having two instructors on one person can really help, but often if he has a student himself he can't do it. I was lucky Sebastian and Vincent were both available, it was awesome having them both at once.

Before we went in Sebastian went over nighttime focus. So many guys focus is on "winning" or just getting laid that they forget you need to have fun and enjoy the process. So he said my focus wasn't to "hunt", don't give off a "hunter vibe". But after remembering to have fun and be social it's good to make connections and see if she can improve my life. And if she meets my standards of course I can take her number or take her home. But my goal shouldn't be to scout out, find HB, run game, and hurry up and close! Need to have fun during the learning process, which I definitely did.

I took a cue from Sebastian, who just seems like he's always having fun. He and I talked about baseball on the cab ride over and come to think of it, he kind of reminds me of Manny Rameriz. He's one of the best hitters in pickup but he's always having a good time, kind of eccentric, and doesn't play by anyone's rules. Totally awesome guy.

Meanwhile Vincent is a contrast, he's all business. He looks like the DEVIL, like you could imagine someone selling their soul to him for cheap. Sebastian's got long messy hair and Vincent's got short spiked hair. Sebastian looks all pleasure, Vincent looks all business. And they both get laid likes foxes.

I took what I like from both of them. I like Vincent's sharp look, business appearance. I like Sebastian's lighthearted conversation. He comes across totally laid back whereas Vincent can be a little intimidating to people since... he's the devil.

I took a little from both and they helped me find stuff that worked for me. I really like how they didn't push their own personal style and try to make me a clone of them. I'm my own man and like to feel like my own man. They had AMAZING stuff going for them that I could model but they also helped me find stuff for me personally. But they weren't trying to act like they used everything either. Sebastian was humble, saying a couple times "It doesn't get the best results for me, but XXX PUA friend of mine does..." giving lots of credit to his friends and other seductionists and helping me find stuff that works for me. Very cool.

We go out to a busy bar with two dance floors and three or four bars. $10 a drink joint, bad place to get drunk, good place to meet HBs.

We walk in and Sebastian punches me on the arm and says he'll leave me in Vincent's able hands for a couple minutes. He then goes to a group of four pretty good looking guys in the corner, makes a couple wild gestures (he later explained he was telling them to get up and move and meet people) then sits down and he's their new best friend. I look at Vincent and he just shrugs like he's given up on Sebastian. They had such an awesome dynamic, I'd love to have such amazing chemistry with a wingman.

Vincent sends me to open a two set. I go implicit direct and it opens up. I start conversing trying to be sitrel and it's going okay. It starts to stall out a little and Vincent comes in and wings me. He comes in cool, tells me to introduce him to my friends (the girls). I do and he takes over the conversation for a minute, before taking the "obstacle" (yeah right, she was hot too!) a foot away and it's back on with my girl. I see Sebastian in the distance. He's left the group of corner guys and is hanging with a huge black guy. HUGE. Sebastian is around six feet tall, but this guy is half a head taller. Vincent's closer to my height by the way, five or six inches shorter than Sebastian.

My set's going well and I feel really pumped but I want to get in more practice. I #close and it works very smoothly. Vincent comes off with me and says he's going to use the men's room, go walk past there and points in Sebastian's direction.

Sebastian's now with a group of black people, big guys and a couple black girls (not my type but objectively all 7.5+, probably higher if my type). Vincent says just walk by and Sebastian will grab you.

Vincent goes to the men's room and I do as he says, and sure enough he knows Sebastian WAY too well.

He calls "Searchlight" over to me as I walk by and then introduces me to everyone and tells me to sit down. I listen for a bit and then jump into the conversation. Watching Sebastian work is amazing. Everything he says would sound like a masterpiece to an aspiring PUA but sounds totally natural to everyone. I mentioned that to him later and he said it's solidly cultivated attitudes and applied situational relevance. There's more to it than that but now after my program, I start to get into that "zone" that Sebastian was in.

We talk for a while and it's fun, then we head off to the bar. Sebastian asks if I'm having fun. I say yes. He says so look like it! with a big toothy smile. He then says he's going to introduce me to a friend of his.

He brings me to this big black guy in a wheelchair and introduces me to him. Sebastian asks how he's doing and they talk about how it's too bad this outdoor club has closed down for the year for a minute. Then they start talking about girls.

The guy has LOTS of game. He starts talking and he's saying stuff like "Yeah this bitch over here wants to buy me a drink but I better slow down, and there's this Asian bitch on the other side the club and I'm going to go get her number in a bit." I talk with the guy a while and it's amazing that he's so shameless about the game he's got and so confident. After a while he says he's going to go get "that Asian bitch's number" and he wheels off.

"Fucking love that guy. Realest guy in the club" says Sebastian. He talks to me about attitudes and execution a little and says that the guy we just met had his attitudes on just fine. Then solid execution.

It made a lot of sense. I saw the guy later in with women and they love him even though they're standing above him. After seeing that guy I realized no one had any excuses. And Sebastian told me stories about how the guy has gotten all race of women. I saw him running game later and it's the real deal and pretty amazing.

Sebastian also explained how focus determines success. "How many white guys here are going to talk to a random black guy in a wheelchair in the club? Well it just so happens that he is the COOLEST guy in this entire club. He always knows where the party's at, hell of a wing if you need one, and he's got game. I swear that guy alone's gotten me laid a couple times. Cool cat."

I took that advice to heart. My "amog perspective" started to change and now it totally has. The last chick I laid, HBPlayboyBunny a solid 9, was largely because her friend's boyfriend and I were cool and on the same side. On day 2 the guys taught me a lot of technique for talking to people in general but where I really learned it was with the guy in the wheelchair.

Vincent rejoins us and we hang for a minute. I'm having a really fun time, really comfortable, learning a lot. Sebastian and Vince are really cool and aren't pressuring me nor are they letting me just sit there. We have fun and talk for a while amongst ourselves (and still look cooler than everyone else doing it). Sebastian walks off and stops in with the group he introduced me to earlier, talks to them for a minute or two, then bounces off into a two set of two hotties.

Vincent says go in and join the Sebastian in a social way, i.e. no genuine interest or "direct" after Sebastian is already in. He says give all your attention to Sebastian and face your body language to him as you open, show him more respect than the women.

I do and they open right up to me and are cool. We all relax and chill out a bit. In a minute, Sebastian is sitting down, and then his chick sits down, and then me and the other chick down. He explained to me later that he was moving a little bit at a time as he talked and interacted, just a tiny little bit, and the girl just followed. In his model of attraction that'd be the effort component.

We're sitting relaxing, when Sebastian leans over the table and whispers to me

Sebastian: You like these girls? Not my type man.
SL: WHAT? What IS your-
Sebastian: Shhhhh easy.

Sebastian turns to the women and frowns.

Sebastian: He says you two is alright.

The chicks look at each other, look at Sebastian, look at me, look at Sebastian again, look at each other again, and then Sebastian says something else and it's forgotten. WEIRD experience there, it's like women can't handle certain stuff or something.

We stay in set and talk and I manage to hold my chick and hear a lot of what Sebastian's saying which is really good stuff. After a while he leans across the table and says to me to talk for a couple more minutes so it's sitrel, then grab her number and kiss her on the lips.

I got a little nervous, but he goes back to his chick and she's staring straight into his eyes like a deer in the headlights. I talk for a while longer then do a number close Vincent taught me earlier. As I get her number, Sebastian stands up, takes his girl by the hand, and moves her so that the girls are standing back to back but are also a few feet apart and can't see each other at all. He later explained that he didn't want her friend to be worried about being seen kissing you and the conspiracy thing is a good thing.

I lean towards her.

And we kiss!

That was pretty incredible. I say goodbye and walk with Sebastian, and I'm starting to get a little excited when he smiles a big smile and says they're still watching. No don't look. Sebastian's smile just disarms everyone, it's like he's a kid in a candy shop, so even if he's about to bust someone you know he's on your side.

After we turn a corner he slaps me on the back and says I'm a pro. Vincent joins us and asks Sebastian if he's going soft and turning to the dark side. Sebastian says "We on the clock playboy, we need to give quality instruction!" with a big laugh and that big smile of his.

Vincent laughs and I ask Sebastian the deal. He says they weren't his type and that he's just socializing and making sure I meet people. My jaw drops a little, those two were total hotties.

I really like how Sebby and Vin don't take themselves too seriously. There's a mix of hands on great instruction and leading by example. And they live the dream too, having fun and being social. They look like the kind of people you want to know which is exactly what they told me to be.

We did a couple more pickups that were good. At 2 AM I was worn out but had a great day and had learned a lot of stuff.

BOOTCAMP DAY 2:

I went for only one night of nighttime since I'm comfortable in bars (got a LOT better at them though) but didn't have much of a day time game. Since Sebastian and Vincent are known and respected for their day time game I thought I'd go for it.

I was again in for a treat in that I had both Grandmasters Dimitri and Woodhaven for day 2. People signing up shouldn't expect this super V.I.P. treatment but they are quality guys who really care about their students learning, so don't be surprised if they go out of their way to help you out, especially if you work hard and want it.

It was AWESOME having both Sebastian and Vincent for day 2, because they alternated topics and both had a lot to say. The first thing was Sebastian started off by doing an outline of conversation. We quickly reviewed situational relevance from the day before, then jumped into verbalizing vs. demonstrating. The idea is that you can SAY anything (verbalize) as long as you're only DEMONSTRATING good things. Sebastian gave me two examples of this.

The basis of storytelling is that stories must be sitrel and shouldn't demonstrate bad things about you. Demonstrating good things is optional. Also, often verbalizing really good things about yourself can demonstrate bragging and insecurity.

We talked more about how to tell good stories and Sebastian gave me a few kinds of stories from his own life. The first were crazy stories, like amazing stuff that few people have done (I've done some crazy stuff like some of it so it's not too alien to me).

The second set of stories he told me were really simple, like how he ate out at a restaurant with a few friends and a few funny things happened. Observations of people helping each other in the world around, seeing a mother and kid play or talking about his own family.

He went on to say that the second set of stories isn't "sexy" like some routines are, but they get the job done often better. They demonstrated good things about Sebastian but wasn't like he was making a big deal out of it or trying to brag. I won't post Sebastian's stories onto the internet so his stuff doesn't get sunset-stripped (Game readers you know what I mean, Sebastian's stuff is that good).

This is actually one of the places I think there's misconceptions about Sebastian Drake, Vincent DiCarlo, and theApproach. They're known as the natural game guys so people assume they don't have routines or stories. This just isn't really true.

After meeting and hanging out with them, I'd say they don't depend on them. I don't either now, I can generate material as I go. But they've got LOTS of good stuff if they need it, and I think that's something that natural-gamers could stand to learn. Natural game and stories are compatible, but making wild routines sitrel can be a hassle and doesn't accomplish as much as a simple understated story that shows you're some combination of perceptive, worldy, compassionate, intelligent, masculine, and / or a leader among other things.

That's one thing I learned. Natural game doesn't mean anti-routine or anti-indirect. Those things all work fine but they're just not taught that well on the internet which is where I think some of the confusion comes from. Both Seb and Vin were very capable at these things and I hope other people more focused on that area would be too, even if it doesn't translate well online.

After the basics of story telling Vincent did screening and qualification. Screening is used for two things, to increase her perception of your value because she'll think you've got standards and won't just take anything. Second it increases the effort she puts in to get you, and as she meets and passes your tests she's going to feel she deserves you more and more.

Screening can make you seem unattainable though, especially if you have high value, so you qualify afterwards to keep her think you're catchable.

Vincent talked about real vs. false screening, which is where you actually screen her out if she doesn't meet your standards, or ask questions that just appear to screen where you're going to approve and qualify either way. He said both are useful and worth learning. If you're just looking to get laid, you can false screen which helps with your value and getting her to put in effort. If you're looking for quality MLTRs you should do some real screening.

Screening has to be sitrel too of course. Vin taught me how to do that, and then we did some really, really awesome exercises to start developing my own screening questions. This was another part of the program I really, really liked. I can now phrase the most normal questions in a way where women feel like there's a right answer and if they get it wrong they could be in trouble. It's helped my relationships SO much, not just sexual relationships but also work relationships. Especially with my secretary, believe it or not.

We then took a lot at qualification. Also should be sitrel, and needs to fit the situation. Vincent obviously was quite good at screening / qualifying. He went through some of his stock qualifiers and then helped me develop my own. We went through a specific kind that's good for attainability and work called the "special advantage" which takes care of deservedness across the board and is AWESOME to be able to do.

We went from qualifying into a specific kind called cold reading, which Vincent went over. Stuff on good cold reading is the one thing that can be read about in good detail on the internet. Vincent gave the example of astrology as a cold read. Vince did a really good job showing how to make random cold reading sound situationally relevant.

We then got into INTENTIONS MAPS which were a great technique that's not been released by the Approach except on programs at all. I feel like I was getting some secret weapons here. The idea behind intention maps is you can actually plug specific screening, qualifying, and cold reading into your pickups to get different desired outcomes. The exclusive girlfriend intention map cultivates loyalty and devotion. The open relationship cultivates independance, non-possessiveness, and open-mindedness. One night stand Intention Map is all adventure and sexuality. And there's custom intention maps. The fascinating one that Vince spoke on was Reverse Supplication which is getting women to supplicate to you / spend money on you. It's like black magic though, totally evil stuff and should probably not be shared with the world. Vincent is in fact the Devil.

Intention maps were really, really helpful though. The thing I liked is that you only need to change a few different things to get a really different end result. It also turned on a lightbulb for me and I realized why I'd become an "LTR guy". I'd basically been running an "LTR intention map" unintentionally. Unintentionally running an intention map, lol.

Sebastian explained why qualification, screening, and cold reading can affect behavior so much. First was Cialdini's congruency principles. The other is more obvious and less scientific: If something makes someone feel good, they won't want to stop doing it. So you can qualify women on things that aren't 100 percent true and it'll make them more like that. So if you tell her you really like how she's independant and doesn't demand too much of your time, she's not going to want to throw that in your face later by throwing a fit when you don't see her enough (that qualifier has been great for me, I need it because I work long hours).

You can also screen for behavior she might not really have but if she wants you, she'll say she's got it. So you can ask about having balance in her life and she might lie and say she does, but then she'll want to appear more balanced. Same thing with wild / adventurous. She might not be really wild, but after she says she is she wants to live up to it.

After screening and qualifying we got into spontaneity. This is something I didn't think could be really developed. I thought you were either spontaneous or you weren't before taking the bootcamp.

I was wrong. Vincent started teaching why spontaneity is so useful and important. You need it to improvise super quick lays. You can't have enough "material" ready for a years long relationship. And if anything ever happens that kills your canned stuff, you can always fall back on spontaneity. We did some spontaneity building exercises, including one that went towards infinite conversation material. It was REALLY good, and gave me some instant skills. Now two months later, I can spin conversations as easily as I want. I know how to easily cut threads in a sitrel way so it's not weird.

Vincent then taught me about the Continuous Flow of Action. It's when everything is going well, it could be called being in "the zone". The CFA is less about doing things right than about things not going wrong. There's no awkward pauses, there's no weird moments, just the woman and you locked in together. On her part, her logical mind will disengage and she'll just feel emotions with you. You need to not overanalyze or overthink, and especially not look for approval. "Waiting for the right moment" can also break a continuous flow of action, so you need to let go and just get in there. On the workshop this made a lot of sense but I really got an understanding of it when I was practicing. I really got into a continuous flow of action when I picked up and sameday laid my primary HBBrunette two weeks after the workshop.

Vincent went over what conversational threads help and what don't. We did some thread management stuff which was interesting and useful.

We did a couple more exercises and then it was break time before fieldwork. Vincent and Sebastian and I all went out to lunch which was cool, I appreciate those guys hanging out with me off the clock. We went to get steaks, and there was a really cute blond waitress, solid 8 easy. As we talked and had lunch I got to see Sebastian demonstrate, literally three feet in front of me, how to pick up a waitress.

It was awesome, and he would do something, then teach me. CRAZY to see live, and very lucky that I got to spend time with them on break AND we had a hot waitress. Nice.

Sebastian explains the rules right after he does them.

1. Get it out of the the customer relationship. When HBBlond came up to serve us, she introduced herself. Sebastian introduced himself back, and me and Vincent with that big smile of his.

2. Get back in the customer relationship and flirt in it. Sebastian starts asking her about a couple of menu items, then orders "Pink lemonade, two limes" in a silly way. After she left he explains he's flirting in the professional context now. When she comes back he asks what the "absolutely best most awesome thing here" is, and says "That, I want that" after the first thing she says.

He went back and forth, not flirting with her all the time. He'd flirt with her when she came over once, then the next time he was deep into conversation with Vincent and I about travelling through Eastern Europe. He was talking about a nightclub in Poland when our waitress came back and he TOTALLY ignored her.

Then the next time back, he's really warm to her again. It's messing with her mind, you can see her falling for him.

We finish eating and pay, and walk outside. Sebastian says, "Wait here I have to use the men's room." Vincent smiles and Vince and I talk for a few minutes before Sebastian walks out tucking a piece of paper into his back pocket. I ask him what's that and he takes it out and shows me HBBlond's number written on the piece of paper before tucking it back away, and explains that the last step is being discreet. If she thinks you're trying to impress your friends or that she could get in trouble she won't be #closed. So Sebastian goes back in alone. He said he always walks out with whoever he's with and then walks back in, because for some reason people often can't follow simple directions to just walk outside. I can see what he means, a lot of the times I'll tell my girlfriend I'll meet her at the car and go to the bathroom, and then she's waiting right outside the bathroom. It's amazing how Sebastian knows every little contingency, you can see how he's got all this experience and game and has been in all these situations before. When he's talking to women, nothing shakes him and nothing impresses him. He draws people to him, takes over their interactions and dominates them but in a good way.

Vincent and Sebastian both did this actually but very different ways. Sebastian seemed to enjoy talking, was high energy a lot, and when he wasn't talking he was very "chill". Vincent on the other hand has this just really evil presence about him, like he corrupts hot young women. Like he could just wave his hand and you'd be supremely powerful. I really, seriously think Vincent DiCarlo is the Devil Himself, and his game is that good too. Vince doesn't talk anywhere near as much as Sebastian, but people just start rambling to him like they would to their boss or the principle, meanwhile he's sitting there with his skeptical evil expression on. For the record though, both guys were GREAT instructors and very personable, friendly, and encouraging to me, this is more about thier general personalities than their teaching styles.

The fieldwork on day 2 really rocked. It was great to have two instructors working with me. Having just one of the guys would have been great, having both was amazing. The very cool thing was I got to see demonstrations with real time breakdown from the other instructor. Sebastian demonstrated on a seated chick and Vincent explained the first 5 to 10 minutes of what Sebastian was doing until she was totally in Sebastian's world. Sebastian came away with a number after 15 minutes, letting me know he'd have spent longer if he wasn't teaching.

I really liked that style. They did demonstrations but didn't pass them off as "the whole system". In three days there's only so much time but the guys let me know to push my stuff as hard as I can. Sebastian had a saying "Fail by doing" he said a few times. He said most people fail by never trying, and never know what they could have done. He tries to fail by giving it his all and doing everything he can to get it done. He encouraged me to try to same day lay women I meet, and the encouragement and honesty was a big part of 2 of my 3 post bootcamp lays.

Sebastian and Vince then turned it around, and Vincent demonstrated AGAIN on a girl walking the opposite way with Sebastian giving real time breakdown. We were walking not far behind them and Sebastian explained what Vincent was talking about roughly along with why Vincent was walking a certain way, how he was closing space, and then how he and the girl were touching each other.

We walked behind them for a good while, when Sebastian calls Vincent. It was funny to see Vincent look at his phone and answer, and for Sebastian to be talking to Vince when they were in seeing distance of each other. Sebastian explains how Vincent is #closing as he does, and Vincent joins us again.

He comes back and breaks down the specifics of what he said. Sebastian roughly outlined where the conversation was going, Vincent comes in and fills in the blanks with the exact words, and things made a lot of sense. I knew almost exactly the lineup of what words were said at what times which would be hard to get normally.

We go back and I start doing my fieldwork. I do ALL sorts of approaches. I do seated, standing still, moving, with friends, groups of people, girls with their boyfriends! Sebastian gives me a quick explanation of opening percentages and closing percentages. The idea is that certain types of approaches are better logistically and you'll literally get laid more off them. Some of the highest opening percentage / closing percentage stuff isn't flashy at all, but it gets you laid. That was the case with my first lay after the workshop HBBrunette. Not flashy approach but solid and laid her same day.

I do a seated approach with Sebastian's default seated opener, and get into screening and vibing. We talk for 30 minutes and then she says she has to go and I say goodbye. Vincent asks me why I didn't her her number and I said she said she had to go. He explained to me what her body language was, and it was that she wanted to be closed. He gave me breakdowns of what I did right and wrong and sent me into another seated set with the goal of instadating. I was able to, moving her to a coffeeshop near by.

Things were going well. We did LOTS of fieldwork and I've since done lots more fieldwork so I don't remember all the details from it, but either Vince or Sebastian was there at all times and often both of them. They gave me encouragement and great feedback, explaining what the women did and what it meant, and little adjustments I could have made.

Day 2 of the program was ending when Sebastian asks if I have dinner plans. I said no and he invited me out with Vincent and him for dinner. He said he was really proud of where I was going and how hard I was working, and he'd be honored if I joined him, his girlfriend, and some other friends for dinner.

I of course was excited to see Sebastian with his girlfriend since I wanted to see how he handled his relationship. Vincent was going too, with a different girlfriend this time. We meet her first, she's a HOT Russian / Italian SHB, amazingly hot. Model hot. Long hair, really cute face and perfect figure. Vincent greets her with a kiss, and we head to a very cool restaurant in Chinatown. We go to a big circular table in the back, it's the best table in the place. Sebastian introduces me to his girlfriend and she's an AMAZINGLY beautiful Chinese woman. I don't really like Asians but she is HOT. She's wearing a tight white dress and has her up and back and a pair of high heels on. She's taller than Sebastian in her heels and just amazingly beautiful. Sebastian said later he'd have to turn me on to Asian girls and I didn't know what I was missing. Also at dinner at Sebastian's girlfriend's sister, who was also really pretty, the sister's boyfriend who was a big Mediterranean guy in a business suit with long hair and a very Italian name.

At dinner it was great seeing the relationship dynamics. Vincent's girlfriend's English was poor and he would be talking to her very slowly, very sexually. Sebastian's girlfriend spoke very good English but he would tease her about it and speak to her in Chinese throughout the meal. Sebastian said something in Chinese at one point and everyone that spoke it laughed, and his girlfriend asked what girl he learned it from. He rolled his eyes and leaned over to me saying "They think I speak girly Chinese." Vincent laughs. Sebastian tells me later that he has actually only learned Chinese from women he's slept with, so he DOES speak girly Chinese and that cracked me up. He said he tried to fix it but couldn't, then gave up when he realized it was good social proof.

All throughout dinner it's very fun and light. Sebastian's girlfriend starts to complain about something a magazine wrote about her and Sebastian is like "Poor baby, you're the media and the media's not even good to you" and everyone laughs. Sebastian's girlfriend's sister turns to me and says that her sister is famous. Sebastian says "Yes, her blowjobs are world famous" and plays it off. (I did google her and was very surprised that Sebastian actually was going out with this woman, wow, and her sister wasn't exagerrating much)

I asked him about it later and he said that if you bow down to status, it says you don't have it. He told me a couple stories of how really rich guys would try to pick his girlfriend up and she wouldn't budge. After a woman has lots of money, then being rich yourself is no longer value for her life. The reason very rich people wind up with other rich people is because they're COMFORATABLE with each other's money, they're not awed and don't act weird.

Dinner's great. I learned a lot and the food was really good. We all ordered one dish and put it on a wheel in the middle of the table that let everyone try a little of everything. As mean as I made Sebastian sound towards his girlfriend he was very nice too. I could actually see how a lot of what he did was qualification. He'd say that the food was good, but not as good as what his girlfriend cooked.

Meanwhile Vincent has his arm around his girlfriend. The guys were joking later that they have to be careful what girlfriends to introduce to each other's girlfriends, because they'll have to keep track of them and then it's harder to set each other with girlfriend's friends.

I had a lot of fun. Everyone at dinner just acted sort of like a family, very comfortable with each other, but I could see little bits of the techniques I was taught in Vincent's and Sebastian's conversation.

They were constantly playing the game with their girlfriends and it was obvious that their girls were still quite attracted. Sebastian's girlfriend paid for his dinner, Vincent's girlfriend also paid for his dinner. Funny to see, and the girls didn't complain or resist. It was just almost expected of them.

It definitely changed my view on relationships. Here were these guys getting treated like kings by their girlfriends in all ways. I remember lots of times I'd take a girlfriend out to dinner and she'd behave terribly at dinner. Well no more, I learned a lot about relationship management from Vincent and Sebastian, both by watching them and from their teachings on day 3.

BOOTCAMP DAY 3

I was scheduled just to have Vincent on day 3 of the program, but Sebastian came to help go over the full structure of a pickup.

They went over the structure, taking turns explaining everything. It was very cool and effective. I liked it because it was extremely flexible but very clear. I now know exactly what my options are at any point in a pickup, but it's not extremely rigid. I've got guidance but I'm not shackled to someone else's method.

Sebastian drew a flowchart that went over all the directions a pickup can go, and it was interesting. It was cohesive, with important fundamentals like situational relevance and attraction emphasized, but also covering most of the details that can come up.

The structure of pickup they drew up gets women attracted and handles logistics from meet to lay. It's got technical details, and lots of troubleshooting. For every step, Vincent and Sebastian laid out what my focus should be (attitudes) and how to do it (execution). It was really great because I understood why I should do what I do. For instance my focus for genuine interest is that I see a woman who meets my visual standards, so I want to give her a chance to meet my standards and make a connection with me. On a situational opener, I'm being observant, social, and very spontaneous. They also laid out the technical details of how to approach, so all in all I knew how a very successful pickup artist thinks about a situation and how he acts. Very comprehensive.

The section on difficult logistics was interesting. Vincent and Sebastian both of crazy stories of being in cities other than their own and needing crazy logistics. It hasn't come up for me yet, but it's useful to know how to find isolation in the daytime or in a city away from my own.

The section meetups / dates was really good. Vincent went over the theory of good dates, and the components they have. Sebastian gave something like THIRTY examples of good venues to go on a date that can be mixed and matched for any date that goes 3 or more places. Sebastian also said something that made a lot of sense. The more venues you go to with a woman, the longer she'll feel she's known you. It's because if all your memories are in the same place, it seems like one big memory. With someone you've known forever you have lots of little memories.

Phone game was a cool section, with some great rules on how to get her from the phone to in person painlessly. Vincent emphasized that talking to her on the phone much more than you've spent time with her in person can set up troublesome dynamics especially if you only spent a little time with her quickly before #closing. The most interesting thing from it was to call in no MORE than 72 hours. In the past I usually waited a few days so I'd seem busy and interesting, but Vincent and Sebastian said calling in the next day or two is ideal. The reason is people with busy lives forget each other quickly (if she's bored and has nothing going on your call will also be welcome). Sebastian said something here that really hit me. If you run bad game and she doesn't want to see you, it doesn't matter how long you wait before calling. If you are cool, make a connection with her, and make her work to please you, she'll be excited for the call.

Vincent went over the no challenge switch. It's when the chick thinks she can have you at any time and so she makes no effort to get together or get things happening. One of the things Vince and Sebastian teach is that you need to seem attainable to her, but that doesn't mean flip the no challenge switch.

We'd already covered basic kino throughout day 1 and day 2, but at this point I got a really detailed explanation of the three kinds of good kino from Sebastian. The three kinds of good kino are protective, playful, and incidental. "Protective" is any romantic-styled kino, including everything from holding hands to putting your hand on her back as you walk through a crowded bar to protect her. Playful is fun stuff, tickling and dancing together. Incidental is everything else, like walking closely together or sitting very close on the couch.

Vincent then taught me kinesthetic sequence to get over ASD, as well as going over verbal solutions and how to pace it. I won't share this one so no one who misunderstands it will get in trouble but it was very comprehensive the way it was taught and I am very confident in getting through ASD and haven't had any problems with it since the end of the bootcamp. It was very powerful (of course it was, Vincent is the devil after all).

Vincent and Sebastian explained relationships together, and this was AWESOME material. NOBODY has anything on these guys'relationship game. Vince and Sebastian have the hottest women and have these women bending over BACKWARDS to try to keep them. It's nothing less than amazing that I got to see this stuff, but the real test for me was putting it into motion myself. No problem, I've slept with three women since the end of my program, and ALL of them converted for me. Two mltrs, one fb. HBBrunette and HBPlayboyBunny both cook for me, HBBrunette and HBWaitress both help me clean now. All the women bring whatever alcohol over that I tell them to now.

And the best part is when I'm ready to settle down again, I just shift from an open relationship intention map to an exclusive relationship intention map. The differences in execution are small and subtle, but easy for a trained pickup artist to see and apply. And the differences in relationships are BIG.

It's great to do. Sebastian explained how to set expectations (which he called "drawing the battlelines" with his big smile) in a relationship. He spoke on it for a while, but one of the most important concepts was that you set up the relationship for quite a while based on the early in it. He said getting a woman into a relationship is like pottery. During the initial approach and pickup, you've got sand and clay, beautiful materials that you can craft. Throughout the pickup you add water, and after you have sex, it's like everything's ready to be molded. After being together a few months and having sex a while, the relationship is firehardened and it becomes very hard to change. The best time to affect a woman's behavior is in the window of the first half dozen times you have sex with her.

I learned how to draw the battlelines after sex, including how to encourage good behavior, stop bad behavior, and make any woman feel more confident, comfortable, and sexual (which is KEY for a relationship). Vincent and Sebastian were both very mature and showed great knowledge of women and relationships, which was refreshing since as much as I like a quickie I want loyal relationships too.

We talked about relationship maintenance. Sebastian's been with his primary girlfriend for two years, Vincent's been with his primary for almost three. They also both have other girlfriends, including the Vincent's mltr who helped me go shopping on day 1. He's been with her two years.

Vincent talked about maintaining the lifestyle. This section was GREAT for me, since I work a busy job and don't have lots of time for pickup. I got some great tips from Vincent on little stuff to do to meet more women, as well as some larger points about how to keep from going insane with so many different women in my life (now that I've got three, I can start to see what Vince meant). They also talked about how to keep jealousy at bay, how to recognize when a woman is at "breaking point" meaning she'll leave / break up with you soon, and how to diffuse breaking point if it happens. There's always signs before a relationship ends, and you can stop it from happening if it's still a good relationship for you.

Vincent and Sebastian then went over all the major concepts from the program, and answered all of my questions diligently. They have a great amount of knowledge, there's nothing I asked that I didn't get a great answer with practical examples and a couple techniques for.

The field on day 3 was very good. I felt much more comfortable with myself and more confident. Sebastian explained how as you get better the world slows down more around you. It's like in sports, great athletes can see things differently and react faster. I saw that start to happen a little bit on day 3. Approaching was no problem. I did around a dozen approaches, and 3 out of every 4 were opening. The other 1 out of 4 weren't rejections, they were just neutral and I left still looking good without any harsh feelings or messy scene.

I got 3 phone numbers and one kiss close on day 3 of the program during the fieldwork time. Sebastian daytime-winged me on a two set and it was a very fun time. I don't really have a schedule that's set for getting great rapport with a wing the way Sebastian and Vincent have with each other, but it was definitely fun to get into action with a top pickup artist in the daytime. And maybe the best part about it is we're INVISIBLE. We're not wearing blinking signs or using routines that've been published in big magazines. I feel like I've snuck into the enemey headquarters almost, I absolutely can't get caught doing what I'm doing. Even when I was winging with Sebastian, one of the ten best pickup artists worldwide, no one knew we were pickup artists. We were just well-dressed (Sebastian was wearing a red and black shirt, designer jeans, and wingtips on day 3) cool, fun guys that women wanted to get to know.

We did fieldwork for a few hours, and it was very fun and I learned more. Putting the skills in action was great. After we finished up fieldwork, Sebastian and Vince answered a few more questions, gave me homework and exercises to continue to improve, and we parted ways.

AFTER THE PROGRAM

It's been less than two months since my program and I slept with three really hot chicks already (LRs posted). Things are going really well for me. The first two weeks after the program were actually rough for me. I wasn't getting the crazy results I expected and I got a little frustrated. But I religiously did the exercises Vince and Sebastian suggested, and then things got better. I laid HBBrunette and HBWaitress within a week of each other and laid HBPlayboyBunny on Halloween. Now I'm getting lots of numbers and have lots of women ready to go. My biggest problem now is finding time for all these new women.

I'm glad I stuck with it, and put in those first weeks of work. If I hadn't, I wonder how good I would have gotten. I'd still have been better but my results are out of this world for me. A message for guys who take a program but don't get instant success: Keep going out! It's not really surprising that many people don't stick with it I guess. Most people can't stick to a diet for two weeks, or jog every morning for two weeks without giving up. But it is SO worth it! I'm a really busy guy and I found time to get out and do the exercises and homework I got on the program, and it really did it for me. There was nothing hard, it just took some time. The exercises were comprehensive and fun, had a goal of what to learn on it as well as what to do for best results.

I'm very pleased in the results I got. I've got three new girlfriends and they treat me very well. I also get more respect at work and from people in the world around me. I feel really good and it was literally a life changing experience.

THE SKINNY - GRADES for THE APPROACH

Things in the community can be biased. There's a lot of products out there competing for your money and everyone's got a guru they worship. But these are a huge life change you're making. It can be quite expensive for some people, and much more importantly, you're choosing what behavior patterns to take on for maybe the rest of your life. You want a program that helps you forge the man you want to be, a man that gets women how he wants and that everyone respects. Since this is so important, I want to give you the good, bad, and ugly about theApproach so you can decide if it's good for you.

THEORY / SEMINAR GRADE

The theory / seminar portions were excellent. There was a mix of anecdotes, advice, science, and experience. They explained why things worked as well as what to do.

Grade: A

FIELD WORK

I enjoyed the field work, and the guys were good. I appreciated having two guys both with me and they did do impressive work. I think it could have been a bit more organized and cohesive about goals for practicing when out in the field, but I do understand that a lot of it is random based on what women around out. Quality experience.

Grade: A-

INSTRUCTORS

Sebastian and Vincent are both great guys, and both went out of their way to help me out and give me some extra time when they could. I appreciated it, and they were awesome guys that I felt really comfortable around.

Grade: A+

PROFESSIONALISM

The guys were respectful and excellent, but I think they could tighten up a few things here and there and establish clearly who will teach what section of their programs. This might only be because I had both Vincent and Sebastian on a one on one, which was of course a bonus.

Grade: B+

HANDOUTS

The only part of the program that I think could use more work. They've got SO much great content, but only four handouts that total seven pages. Sebastian and I stay in touch and he agreed he needed more and said he told me about the handouts he's developing. This has the potential to be an A+ grade since the guys have great material and the handouts they did give were designed really well, but they could use some more.

Grade: B

VALUE

The price was somewhat steep, $1800 for me. The guys have since taken $100 off and added a $100 off early signup discount that's easy to get, so the value's only increased. Even with my price, I'd have to say it was very worth it. I've taken workshops for my profession and they didn't give me close to as much value. In my 3 day program, I got as many hours as many college courses give, and you all know how expensive they are. This was a life-changing experience and I'd say was rather priceless. Expensive to some extent but well worth it for me personally.

Grade: A

FOLLOWUP

I got great, detailed homework from Sebastian and Vincent, including some detailed premade exercises and they helped me detail homework for myself. I had a question and emailed Sebastian, he got back to me in a few days with a really detailed answer. Sebastian and Vincent both seem to really care about me and teaching in general, and have gone to great lengths to make sure I get all I can. I've talked on the phone to Sebastian a couple times (not standard or to be expected, but he is a good guy) and theApproach is opening a student forum soon. Great followup with the potential to get better.

Grade: A+

PROGRESS

The biggest measure of if it was worth it: My results. Since the workshop, I've laid three beautiful women who are very differently people. A working professional, beautiful and stylish. A really fun, sweet waitress and a bartender / party girl. I've got all of them in open relationships and I'm doing a little bit of reverse supplication to get them to help out in my lifestyle. They don't really LIKE that I work so much but they deal with it better than my last girlfriend did. And they're surprisingly okay with me seeing other women. I do better at work. And most importantly, I feel healthier, happier, and more balanced.

Grade: A+++

CONCLUSION

Overall, it was a really great experience and great program for me. The guys were great teachers, great pickup artists, and really just great people. I really felt like they were my friends and cared about me, but they were also professional and stayed in a mentor role.

Be ready to learn A LOT! My advice if you take a program is come in ready to learn a lot and make some real changes. Also DO the exercises after the program, they're really helpful.

The results were amazing. TheApproach is the real deal and I think would be really suitable to both advanced guys and new guys. They're good at teaching skills for women but also for life skills. I feel more balanced and happier in my life, and I can't thank those guys enough. Highly recommended.

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